Send all abused children on a retreat with a group of Catholic priests convicted of child abuse – the Pope would approve, I’m sure. And, the children would feel right at home. After all, abusive parents and abusive priests share the same mentality. This way they can keep it all in the family.

And, if the kids start acting out because of the abuse, the priests can scare the Hell out of them by reading from the book of Revelation – the ultimate horror story.

Isn’t religion responsible for twisting the minds of children and destroying the lives of millions of human beings?

P.S. Pope Ratzinger (former Nazi)is responsible for protecting pedophile priests and is being pursued by legal authorities for this cover up.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7094310.ece

Ratzinger continues cover up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfTVAdgV-9w&feature=related

I’m for disbanding the RCC. How say ye?

We are not born violent. Violence is learned. Prov. 15:1-2 “A soft answer turns away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.
2 The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly: but the mouth of fools pours out foolishness”.

If this guy, Mitt Romney, ever becomes a serious contender for the Presidency, I hope someone breaks the news on how stupid his religion is. We just got over the “Cowboy from Toy Story” (Bush – if you didn’t know who I meant), he was crazy enough, with his theory about “Gog and Magog” running wild in the Middle East. That’s what he was saying in the White House when he was trying to find a way to attack Iraq in 2002 & 2003

Who knows, maybe Jesus WILL have to come back, just to save us “sane ones” from the likes of these crazies.

Another politician to watch is Mitt Romney – another Mormon.

I mean, Nixon was a Quaker – that was bad enough. But, a Mormon? The Mormons have their own “bible”, and they are the only ones who are “allowed” to “interpret” it.

By the way; the Mormons have guns and won’t hesitate to use them on anyone who tries to prevent them from worshiping God “the way they want to worship God”. That was told to me by a Mormon while I was visiting Utah. Yikes!!! These people are scary.

One of their many screwy “doctrines” is, that, the black man was “allowed” to live after Noah left his Ark because God still needed evil in the world to try men and make them choose between good and evil. Yes, the Mormon Church believes (or rather used to believe until the 1960’s civil rights movement gained in strength) that, black men were pure evil!!! And, that is why they didn’t even bother preaching the Gospel to the black man until about the 1960’s.

Now, (of course) they welcome black men and even ordain black men into the ministry because, after sending white Mormon missionaries to The Union of South Africa to preach to “white men only”, a few black men found some of their literature, took the good parts out of it, and believed the Jesus story. So, it was the “evil” black man who showed the white man “the light”. How ironic!

To James Dunn — our children did not run up and down the aisles in restaurants either, but we never struck them. We enforced restrictive time outs (sitting, being quiet, being still, being REMOVED when not complying) and had very few incidents where an evening ended unsatisfactorily. There are OTHER methods for dealing with unruly children.

Nuex: Your comments about nonspanking are anecdotal at best. Our children were not spanked and they are both richly contributing to society both economically and socially. One is a research mathematician and the other is a graphic artist. Both are younger than 25 and self supporting. We never spanked them…go figure.

DBR: who speaks of strong willed children getting in more trouble. I agree entirely. And it takes a strong willed parent to guide a strong willed child without physical abuse. But it is possible.

Jerry Moler, you have happened on a very effective method of child rearing — simply bore them to death. That’s what we did, talked, talked TALKED to them about their choices, their behavior, the consequences. They rolled their eyes often and at times I wondered how effective our practice was. But now that they are grown and can recount those sessions, I know they were actually listening (if only because they were too bored to do anything else). And, I’m glad to say that both our son’s are now young adults, well adjusted and contributing members of society. We never put a hand to them and instead chose less abusive forms of punishment. Both boys honor life and all things living with gentle compassion.

cndnflyr: Spanking is physical abuse no matter how you spin it. I read Dobson’s “Train Up Your Child” for about 20 pages and then I wanted to vomit. Abuse is abuse…whether you use a “switch” or your hand…whether you “talk it out” or you don’t. You are physically abusing your child. There are better ways to address inappropriate behavior, but it takes a commitment that raising one’s hand does not.

To Rob: An aggressive child is an aggressive child. I totally agree. But heaping more agressiveness on an already aggressive child does not assure obedience. More often it ensures more acting out. I could site studies if you wish, but you would have to be willing to read them and not write them off as liberal whining.

Roger: I simply am aghast. I don’t know what to say. In the 1600s children were chattel as were women. Though they (women) often were the title holders of land and goods, they were also the property of the husbands. If that is what you are
aspiring to return to, I will simply say that I am glad I married someone other than you.

Okay at this point I am simply wrung out from reading the horrific views of how children should be assaulted and abused all in the name of obedience. Love, compassion and a reverence for life does not have to come through violence. It takes a commitment but it is possible.

Go forth in peace, whatever your religious inclination.